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 Not true. And it's up to a person to decide if they want to use the label transgender.
-**Trans people have already been using the bathroom!**. Transgender people existed for centuries.
+Trans people have already been using the bathroom! Transgender people existed for centuries.
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 This is a known as a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope|Slippery Slope fallacy]] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4f7QrfRRc).
-People advocating for gender rights aren't saying this at all.
+This is unrelated to addressing a person's preferred gender and name.
-If you run the argument backwards to as "not allow", then you can run into a bad precedent too.
+If you run the argument backwards to as "not allow", then you can run into a bad conclusion too.
+While the argument is valid form, it's not sound.
+==== There are no long term studies / not enough studies to prove hormones are effective ====
+This is no true. What many anti-trans people are referring to are ***High Power Studies using Randomized Controlled Trials.***
+There isn't a possible way to do this with trans people for the following reasons:
+  * There is no placebo effect for medicine. Those who take hormones will notice their body change.
+  * It's unethical to not provide hormones to someone who wants to transtiion, and it's unethial to given them to someone who isn't transgender.
+Infact, the tobacco industry made the same argument that smoking couldn't be proved to be dangerous because their aren't any RCTs. London also posted a satire article saying parachutes can not be proven since there hasn't been RCTs of people skydiving. Obviously, it would be unethical to have someone jump out of a plane without one.
+What there IS lots of is **observational studies**. These are metrics of a persons mental health before, during, and after transitoning.
+For instance, the paper "Clinical guidelines for children and adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria or incongruence: a systematic review of guideline quality" (https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/109/Suppl_2/s65.full.pdf?with-ds=yes) applies AGREE II grading system to studies for hormone therapy. This scale is objective, and how results were obtained in the article was not mentioned.